Apparently that loan is in doubt. If we bring in a striker, I’m fine dropping him to Tenerife for the season, but I also think we might need him if either YEN or Rafa gets hurt.
And yes, I am well aware that it’s depressing to think of YEN and Rafa as our first line instead of fall backs, and to think of Ivan Romero as our prime fallback. Just trying to get really dark and depressing on this thread so that when Monchi gets us all back to being excited, the upswing of excitement is all that much more exciting.
Help us Obi-Wan Monchi, you’re our only hope.
PS - anyone want to edit this to put Monchi’s face on Obi Wan?
Wow I really like him. I’ve seen him a few times for PSG and I’ve been impressed. He hasn’t consistently got game time at Bayern but he’s very young and it’s Bayern so kind of expected.
Bayern got him on a free from PSG 2 seasons ago. Haven’t seen him play to be honest, but heard that he is a promising talent. I can see that he didn’t play that much and with De Ligt’s signing, it makes sense for him to move.
If we’re really going for him, hopefully it is not some loan without a purchase option but either with an option or a straight up signing. We need to invest for the future!
Nianzou could be quite the player; has played as CB & DM, strong in the air, confident on the ball and able to start plays from the back. He is/was considered as one of the top prospects at Bayern.
Yup went on a free because he refused to resign with psg. Right now talk is a permanent transfer with a possible buy back option. I hope this is true and not a one season loan.
I dunno, I get where you’re coming with, but stick with me for a minute.
Standard selling club model is this: buy low, sell high, make $$$ off sales.
But isn’t taking some loan players, a la André Silva just a variant wherein you add an axiom to the model:
all else equal, if you can get slightly better players via loan than via purchase, that gives you better chances at going deeper, ergo, more $$$. Or, alternatively, holding constant player quality, a loan is cheaper than a purchase, so you’re getting same quality with less investment.
It just can’t be as categorical as you (and many other die hard “selling club” fans) make it out to be. It’s just a question of whether the marginal gain of additional quality above replacement gives you enough additional cash (in deeper tourney runs, in ticket and jersey sales, etc) to be worth the “risk”, namely the risk the player increases in value and you don’t get to reap that value, or the risk that the disruption when they leave does more damage than the value they brought while they were there.
I know we’re all weary after the Martial bust, but honestly, I go back to my original assertion: all else equal, you can get better quality players dollar for dollar via loans because top clubs have made overly optimistic bets on those players and lower quality clubs benefit from that. I for one am glad we didn’t buy Martial. Imagine being stuck with him right now? Let ManU figure that one out on their own.
The reason top tier clubs don’t take loans is not because loans are bad business, it’s because taking loans regularly requires you to have someone in a tier above you to benefit from their bad bets. There is no tier above the Galácticos, which means they don’t get to benefit from others clubs mistakes.
One minor headache here, just from my own analysis is that Trabzonspor are in playoffs for Champions, meaning that their economic forecasts for this season will be wildly up in the air until Aug 24 (unless there is a blowout at tomorrow’s match). I wouldn’t be surprised if Munir’s sale doesn’t happen until the last minute.
Anyhow, would love to see him in Champions this season at Trabzonspor, I’ve always really liked Mr. El Haddadi. We should put a noncompete clause for Champions, just in case…haha
I tend to agree with @RyanMoore in this particular loan debate. I would like a buy option included, but I wouldn’t turn down the deal just to go buy someone. At this point of the market most buys are going to be overpriced and /or risky. Take the loan and plan towards January or Summer 2023.
That’s a good analysis and it makes economical sense for particular cases. I don’t think it makes sense for this one though. I mean, of course we’re not in a position to turn down a deal even if it would be a loan without a buying option at this point - but that’s more due to poor management and lack of careful squad planning. Serious clubs certainly do not do that, and that strategy (of loans) makes more sense in urgent cases like with Martial, where signing him wasn’t viable because of the salary, transfer fee etc. so we used it as a last-minute deal which unfortunately turned out to be a disappointment, but that’s a different story.
I think we should not be the club that follows the loan-only model and especially in this case where we sold our 2 main CB’s but failed to replace them properly and now seeking that last-minute resort, which should only come in case of unexpected injuries or similar and not in these circumstances where the management had time to plan things for a few months. They knew very well that we’d sell both DC and Kounde. Granted, Kounde’s sale was a bit complicated but a serious club with a serious management lines things up early on and doesn’t do these mistakes.
If we go by Transfermarket’s data, Nianzou’s current market value is 9m Euros, his highest ever was 12m Euros in 2020 - 2 years ago. Bayern got him on a free, so anything they’ll get for him will be a pure profit. I think we could get him for 10-12m Euros which wouldn’t be a huge investment and a huge risk. Sure, loaning without a buying option would be a lesser risk as we’d only pay his wages, which are obviously not that high - but what if he excels here and becomes a crucial part of our CB department? That’s where the buying option comes in. You don’t have to exercise it, but have it there as an option just in case. Serious clubs do that, and we should to. Loan-only doesn’t do us any favor except temporarily (in case of the player performing decently) and would only turn us into a farming club + feeder club for Barca and RM as always. We don’t want that do we? Are we aspiring to become a real force like Atletico or stagnating to potentially become a modest club like Celta or similar? Because stagnation only invites downgrading.
Nevertheless, considering how poorly the pre-season and the transfer window were managed, probably the worst in the history of the club (can’t say for sure at this point), I’d be content with anything if it helps the team even a little bit. However, I think these band-aid solutions won’t help us long term as the problems will only get worse.
Moreover, we were about to splash 15+m Euros for Nelsson coming from Galatasaray and the Turkish league. I strongly believe that even a bench player of Bayern is in a better physical condition to fulfill the demands of this season compared to someone from there + considering the fact that Nianzou is more talented than Nelsson.
According to a report in VMSFC, Bayern are asking for 20m Euros for the guy. Market value = 9m give or take, go figure.
As Rogelio mentioned earlier, they are trying to reach a repurchase deal as well as a sale percentage in case we sell him elsewhere in the future. Cheeky Bayern bastards… but wise thinking from them, hats off.
Looks like this Nianzou move is true. If so I think this could become a very good signing. A 20-year-old central defender described as having “immense potential”. We saw how Kounde ended up…
The catch maybe being here: “While the move to Sevilla is a sale and not a loan, Bayern are set to secure a buy-back option and a percentage of the sell-on fee, should the defender live up to his immense potential.”
