Really dissapointing indeed. Unimaginable. How you can make arguments for no offside. Which they managed to do; the touch of Garcia, creating a new situation, in which it’s a pass to Mbappe. They are completely changing the chronology of where to look at, and what is happening in what order, it’s laughable. Disgusting organization. VAR is just another hidden scapegoat, to influence results. Really is.
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You are totally correct @Enrico
The problem is that the rules on offside are partly subjective rather than totally objective. It has morphed into this situation purely to benefit the Real Madrids Barcelonas and Manchesters of the world where the money exists, or in the case of Barcelona, existed. No ref would confirm that decision in Spain or France but there you go, that’s globalization for you.
Same goes for penalties right?
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I can see it clearly yes
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They are partly subjective, everything that happens in football can be interpreted from two sides (one for each team).
A bad pass, a good interception.
accidental obstruction, deliberate block.
Loss of balance, easy dive.
Literally everything.
it’s like an argument. Where the ref (plus var) decides the truth. I can accept, a misjudged tackle or a slight dive, push, i’m okay with that.
But this is literally creating the rules that exist to make a ‘new’ situation out of the actual situation. To decide it, and then to sweep it under the rug, by mentioning var. It’s absolutely disgusting.
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We had the exact same thing, with the penalty given against Wolfsburg. In no normal World is that a penalty, looking at the most logical and chronological interpretation. But there is mister video assistant referee deciding otherwise, for what ever devil forsaken reason (probably higher power or money)
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I’ll get over it but it has left another scar on football, for me that was shameful.
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100% agree Tim.
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I saw this explanation.
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It really twists every law in actual football. So Eric can’t even go for an interception and has to blindly trust the lines man and do nothing and hope it’s offside. What are they doing to the sport.
Really an interpretation problem, of inhumane proportions.
They are really changing rules.
How many times have you seen a long ball to a striker deep in offside position, but then still a defender jumps (deliberately) and heads it, or touches it. Even though it’s offside. The ball skips over and suddenly the striker can go on? This is never allowed, never. So if it’s hit or touched by the anybody in whatever direction the offside has been ruled out. And the play can continue. Similarly to badminton. Everytime since the new var has come, the linesman are hesitating more and more and taking more time to even throw up their flag to actually wave for offside. This makes it even more wrong, because nowadays a lot of deliberate touches have already happened when they turn it back, and blow for offside. The inconsistency only grows, its just shameful…
And as of yesterday, it suddenly IS and creating a new situation? So from now on, all these situations should just continue the play. If they are consistent with their interpretation. Which they aren’t, it will only happen in certain cases. Where the rules can be bend to take advantage of it. The people trying to ‘defend’ the ‘rules’ in this case are a ruination for football.
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Wasn’t it applied similarly for 1 of Coke’s goals in the final vs Liverpool in 2016?
No, Liverpool player shot the ball against another Liverpool player and it bounced to Coke who was in offside position.
It wasn’t like here with France where the ball was played by a teammate toward attacker in offside position and got touched by an opponent.
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Yup thats a second deflection. So the ball was going forward, then the defender deflected it back to Coke. Real different case. Also like Jesus said, it’s no pass towards a player in offside position in the first place.
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Why would the rule of offside explicitly state the attackers position behind the defense at the moment of the pass leaving the foot. When now the position doesn’t matter anymore, what matters is what happens inbetween the pass and arriving at the attacker. It’s just mindblowing.
Can someone send these tactics to Lope? If these are the new rules we might aswell take full advantage of it…
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Exactly, defender just needs to deliberately try to block the shot and, if it’s an deliberately attempt we can’t be offside. Round of applause for the Uefa.
Brilliant LOL
You do see occasions where the linesman keeps the flag down so he doesn’t have to slow the game down if the offside resolves itself in favour of the defender.
But in that game, if the defender had got the ball, the linesman would have had the option of 1) flag the offside anyway 2) let play continue 3) flag offside if Mbappe tried to re-combine in the move. That’s too many options.
Only thing the linesman has to do, is flag offside. The linesman should not be of influence on the flow of play. This is up to the referee.
The cases you see, where the flag stays down is pure due to, insecurity of the linesman. In that situation. If they are unsure, the rule states to not raise the flag. And that’s when it’s up to the var. It’s not because they decide to resolve the play (they just didn’t have the clear decision on it). That’s a misconception and not up to the linesman.
Or they wait, for the ball to be received, and then raise. That’s true. But it’s not a decision.
I don’t think you have quite undstood what I was saying
For example if the pass goes straight out for a goalkick, why blow offside?
I also see a lot of examples where the linesman doesn’t raise the flag because the offside player knows he’s offside and doesn’t pursue the ball, but if he decides to take a chance and run for the ball, the flag goes straight up.
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