Winter 2023 Transfer Thread

Lots of challenges in the new era. So much money that teams like Man City, Chelsea, etc. can load their rosters with young “talent” and just loan out/sell the ones that don’t work out. You see rosters of 30-plus players.

The other thing is the reliance on data to analyze players. 1) Everyone has big data now so there is no real advantage to this system, 2) your data is only as good as your algorithms for analysis at a large scale.

Data can’t predict a player’s guts, the size of his balls, or how much fight he gives. That takes eyes on the players. I’m not sure if our scouting network is as big or as good as it used to be.

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I was probably there, I rarely missed a home game in that era, who were we playing?

Or ambition. We made a lot of good buys by rehabilitating players who were lacking in love and support. Big data can’t unravel the human side of things.

Clearly our scouting network is surpassed by the big clubs but they’re paying a fortune in fees for child protégés that don’t come good. There’s always a niche to mine somewhere.

Above all, we are holding Sevilla to very high standards as if the club were in the top 20 of Europe and the club has never been at that level. The fact that we qualified for EL or CL for 15 of the last 16 is an outlier, a freak statistic, and the fact that it coincides with Monchi doesn’t signify that correlation is causation but 6 uefa trophies is enough correlation for me.

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Very good point Tim! We are definitely punching above our weight for years.

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I mean, technically speaking, data could measure both of those things, but I’m not so sure the players’ unions would allow it. One seems a bit invasive and the other seems a bit too intimate

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haha

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The big clubs have gotten whiff of what signing youngsters can do and now just sign every kid who can pass with both feet. Best case scenario it gives them good homegrown talent like foden. Even if they don’t work out they can be sold for a good fee. I think Sevilla would find it hard to get decent youngsters from overseas or other provinces but real homegrown talent is pretty solid, they usually get into the final 4 or 8 of la liga youth tournaments and Gil was an example there is talent there, Carmona and Salas have some quality but whether they can be fixtures in the first team is yet to be seen.

The model was usually find talented players who can take the next step and established players from 2nd tier clubs or leagues i.e WBY and Bacca, or players from clubs who have talent but need a change of scenery i.e Kanoute, Gameiro. This tactic has worked pretty well for the past 15 years or so and it’s only the last 3 seasons when we started spending large amounts on mediocre crap.

There are other clubs using this model right now and the first I would list is Brighton, they changed it from route one football to possession based and mixing experienced players (Welbeck, Lallana and Veltman) with young upcoming ones (Cucurella, White and Mwepu before his heart condition). They’ve done well even after Graham Potter left and made more than 70m in sales in the last window.

The next club would be Napoli, currently leading Serie A after selling most of their leading players in Koulibaly, Insigne, Mertens and Ruiz then replacing them with Anguissa, Raspadori and Kvaratskhelia. Talent exists out there, you just need to know where to look.

I think we’re still good, few had heard of Kounde and Diego Carlos before Monchi went for them. If we’re lucky and his body holds up Marcao and Nianzou could be just as good. Bono was another inspired signing. Just need to get back to basics.

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Rumours about the rightwing/back. Milos Kerkez, in the Netherlands they are quite impressed. Very young Hungarian right back.

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Pique finally modelling good behavior for his peers. Perhaps Rakitic or Navas will take his cue:

Barcelona’s Gerard Pique announces he will retire when LaLiga goes on break for World Cup this month
Barcelona's Gerard Pique announces sudden retirement - ESPN

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Damn, you want Ivan & Jesus out that fast? :smiling_face_with_tear:

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I dunno, maybe not that fast, but I just want the team to be in a place where we no longer need them, and certainly no longer need to start them. While I suspect this won’t happen, I sorta wish we could free up those wages and slots for some younger players from France or Argentina to come into LaLiga and test their mettle…

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An idea to strengthen the defence, Mees Hilgers, young and very fast.
He is a regular in a friendly Twente team and a U21 from Holland.

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The thing is we have to be carefull with our expenses, things could go really quick south if in the winterbreak if you are overforcing, like a desperate PL team, imagine paying more big contracts, maybe even players who are reluctant to join a team in misery. We are at a point where we are not allowed to make many more mistakes, because we made too many already.

Imagine signing players where in the contract you already have to sign something like if we demote, you can leave for x price.

There are plenty of players who would like to join a Sevilla in need, and profit from a big contract. But a team full of players who play for bread is not good. We need players with heart, passion and potential.

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Sign Muriqi!

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I like him, but he’s just a more barbarian looking more team oriented Rafa Mir. Less refined in the box tho, he compensates in other ways but it’s not going to solve much how we play in my believe. We need something special. He’s definitely a good, demotion team player, and will win some games for you.

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Can’t get anyone better in January for an affordable price. I doubt we’ll even be able to get Muriqi as he just signed for Mallorca on a permanent contract this season for 5 years. He felt very good there and would most likely want to stay at least until the end of the season.

We won’t attract many good players in the situation that we’re in. Hoping for some Monchi magic and help with convincing by Sampa, but it will be difficult.

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For the club we really need our players to perform well and get some of the spotlight during the worldcup. Which is just the best stage, to raise interest and prices for our January window. Bono could have a huge impact this tournament. I don’t want to sell him, but if some crazy premier league offers come if he shows up like we know good Bono can, well it would fuel our renovation. Youssef with some goals would be the better sale of course. Acuna en Montiel, or Papu if they shine? anything can happen at a tournament like this. They rumour Delaney already has found a deal with Kopenhagen to return there, (him buying a house there strengthens this rumour) anyway. Anything that can help us with the overhaul :pray:

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WC break at the best time possible for us. Now is on Monchi to do something, we really need some young blood. Not much rumours for now…

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Happy birthday Jakob! @JakobJarc

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Only one I saw was Papu going back to Argentina to finish out his career and Luis Alberto back in the rumor mill.

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The 4 most likely exits are Delaney, Papu, Suso and the blonde bloke.
That would still leave us with the Rakitic Jordan pairing that doesn’t inspire anyone much.

Plus we have to buy a backup CB and DM.

Monchi has some tough work and Sevilla will need to raid the piggy bank.
Sad but it will be a desperate transfer market.

(Januzaj is also on the exit ramp)

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