now 70 minutes of suffering… just what we needed for an exhausted team in need of recuperation and freshness in exactly 7 days.
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I feel like the Miranda challenge was a lot more malicious than that one by Gueye. Both are straight reds, but there was a lot of force from Miranda
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I don’t disagree with that statement. Miranda did come in hard. I don’t think either Miranda or Gueye meant to do it, but it still happened so now we pay and suffer as Tim said.
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Yay. Own goal
European chances through the league look over. We going to have to beat Mourinho’s Roma to get in. Unless we can pull something unlikely here in 2nd half. Vamos!
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That is a very soft yellow. Bade won the ball.
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They don’t look like they care if they win or not
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That was rough
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Very tired team. Need to rest for next week
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ok. we can cut Rafa Mir now.
disappointing outcome, but after a 20th minute red, hard to expect more for a tired team.
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Mir so bad! Tough match, sucks we dropped points.
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Could’ve ended up in 7th
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Was a tough game tonight. Tired players playing most of the game with ten men and chasing it. Elche the better side and we seemed happy with the point and had no real desire to go on and win it.
Mir still found himself in a few decent positions when he came on only to mess up again! Europe through the league probably gone now.
All the focus for me now has to be on the Europa League. Definitely rest players for Real on Saturday.
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This more properly belongs in Summer Transfers thread, but links to yesterday. Twittersphere seems very pissed about Pape Gueye’s red card yesterday, with lots of “don’t sign him” reactions.
Thoughts?
I am more inclined to keep him, overall satisfied with what he’s done for the team. Acuña gets too many red cards and bans, and I don’t see anyone wanting to “get rid” of him. Anyhow, he has room to grow, but seems like overreaction to think this red card is somehow a tipping point
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I’d still sign Gueye. He’s done a great job for us since coming in.
He does need to address his discipline though as he could become a liability otherwise.
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“could become”?
or do you mean “has been a liability”.
he does awesome things on the pitch, but going down a man in three games is an ENORMOUS disadvantage… idk. maybe that’s what keeps his value low and allows us to keep him. but that was a supremely stupid/unnecessary/bad tackle.
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Was looking back at his reds. None of them seemed hugely irresponsible in the sense that they aren’t those tackles where you watch the replay and think “any idiot knows going into that tackle that it’s a red card”
From my quick review of the replays (couldn’t find the Atlético one), they seem like ones where they are absolutely red cards, but if the defender plants their leg two inches to the left, or he arrives half a second earlier and there’s no contact. Absolutely reds that should be reds, but I don’t necessarily take away this feeling that “this guy has a discipline problem” but rather “this guy is playing that much harder than everyone else on the field, so it’s going to happen sometimes.”
Also of note: we won the two games he missed. Atlético was already lost when he went off.
So certainly you can credit him for the draw v Celta and the draw v Elche, so even if you put “negative 4 points” in his liability column, it is my humble assertion that he has earned more than 4 points to this season. Anyhow, I totally get the annoyance, but I am also regularly annoyed by Acuña and Ocampos lacking discipline, but I am not rushing to offload those guys. All about the net effect.
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Gueye is different for me, I don’t know. I don’t feel like he’s really that agressive. Apart from the last one, none of the challenges have been insanely stupid. I believe there’s been no yellows for dissent (Acuña and Gil seem to get those all the time). Just needs to work a little bit on his timing and decisions and stuff and he can be great
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Exactly…he has had some reds but he has been playing decent. The stupid cards for dissent and mouthing off are the ones that piss me off the most. Control yourself…be smart. Acuña does seem to be our hothead and gets up in people’s face. I wish he would cut that out and just play.
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